Spotify, SoundCloud and other platforms have pulled the song, but its spread underscores the challenges tech platforms face in removing content that violate their policies.
Spotify, SoundCloud and other tech platforms have worked to remove a new song from Ye that praises Adolf Hitler, but the song and its video have continued to proliferate online including across X, where it has racked up millions of views.
On various mainstream and alternative tech platforms this week, Ye, formerly known as Kanye West, has been able to share his latest song, titled “Heil Hitler,” along with its companion title, “WW3,” which similarly glorifies Hitler, the architect of the Holocaust.
While some platforms have taken steps to attempt to pull down the song, others have seemingly let it spread freely.
“Nazi Song Big Hit On Nazi Platform”
The song doesn’t really glorify Hitler. And the title “architect of the Holocaust” is usually attributed to Adolf Eichmann.
That being said, the song is antisemitic and tasteless. West appears to blame all his personal issues on the Jews, which is deeply pathetic.
Stop calling him Ye, it’s so cringe and stupid. His name is Kanye West and he’s a black white supremacist
This might be nitpicking, but NBC should be more precise.
which similarly glorifies Hitler, the architect of the Holocaust
Adolf Hitler wanted and ordered the extermination of the Jews and other “undesirables”, no doubt about that or his culpability. But the role of “architect”, the person who designed the logistics for mass killing, is normally ascribed to other people. Adolf Eichmann, the guy the Mossad captured in Argentinia in 1960, is usually called the “Architect of the Holocaust”. Sometimes together with Reinhard Heydrich and Heinrich Himmler.
What a load of fucking bullshit. They must think we are dumb.
OH no we can’t find his music to delete it guess we’ll just keep cashing in on the listens because it’s viral right now then delete it in a week.
Fucking clowns
In case you’d like the lyrics for this “masterpiece”:
[Verse 1: Ye] Man, these people took my kids from me
Then they froze my bank account
I got so much anger in me
Got no way to take it out
Think I’m stuck in the Matrix
Where the fuck is my nitrous
Yes, I am a cuck, I like when people fuck on my bitch
With shit that I’m postin’ on Twitter they tellin’ me, “Ye, don’t say that”
How n*ggas can see me in public im drivin an all-chrome Maybach
With all of the money and fame I still can’t get my kids back
With all of the money and fame I still don’t get to see my children
N*ggas see my Twitter, but they don’t see >how I be feeling
So I became a Nazi, yeah, bitch, I’m the villain
[Chorus: Ye] Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler They don’t understand the things I say on Twitter Ngga, Heil Hitler They don’t understand the things I say on Twitter All my nggas Nazis, ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler All my nggas Nazis, ngga, Heil Hitler She wanna fuck in Japan, I put the chrome on the Benz (Ngga, Heil Hitler) She reaching down to my pants, she got the world in her hands
[Chorus: The Hooligans] Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler All my nggas Nazis, ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler All my nggas Nazis, ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler Ngga, Heil Hitler N*gga, Heil Hitler
[Outro: Adolf Hitler] Du meine Arbeit für richtig hältst Ob du glaubst, dass ich fleißig gewesen bin, dass ich gearbeitet habe Dass ich mich in diesen Jahren für dich eingesetzt habe, dass ich anständig meine Zeit verwendet habe im Dienste meines Volkes. Gib du jetzt deine Stimme ab, wenn “JA”, dann tritt für mich ein, so wie ich für dich eingetreten bin!
This is a severely mentally man who needs help. This is not a song that should have had people working on it. This should not have been released. I have had a in-depth conversation with something who believed that Shrek was the incarnation of God and they were more cogent than this.
Kanye was always a strange and not great lyricist, but this is mental illness.
mentally [ill] man who needs help.
I agree with this. A while back he did an interview with Lex Fridman. For those not familiar with Lex, he does long-form interviews of an hour or more that get into great detail on various subjects, and he makes a point to educate himself on those subjects beforehand so it is an actual discussion, not the usual interview of a guy explaining his job to somebody who has never heard of it.
For anyone not convinced Ye needs help, please go listen to that interview.
Ye early on blames the ‘Jewish media’ for an awful lot of the world’s problems. Lex encourages him to call out specific members of that media for specific problems, rather than writing off an entire religion and an entire industry. Lex encourages him to use his platform to identify bad actors and directly oppose them. Ye refuses any specifics, talking only in broad general terms.
Ye then says with full conviction that we should stop teaching history in schools, that it is a waste of time and resources to relive the past and we should be teaching science and math and engineering instead as history offers us little or nothing of value. Lex of course brings up several parallels between history and modern society and similar problems happening under similar situations, once again Ye refuses to acknowledge and keeps restating his point in different words.
These are just two of the bigger issues. I got about halfway through the interview before I concluded that this man has no fundamental understanding of how the world works or of how human nature works, that he was either deluded or mentally ill or just very stupid, let his positions are almost entirely without merit and that he is a person and his ideas are probably unworthy of any consideration of mine. For me that’s a pretty big thing, I try to separate the person from the idea and give everybody equal consideration.
But after listening to Ye speak for half an hour, I concluded it was the same as going to a mental hospital and listening to one of the patients rant about how aliens ate their brain for half an hour- The only thing I get from the experience is half an hour older.
I don’t know what is wrong with Ye. Maybe he is just uneducated and ignorant and managed to fail upwards because he’s good at music. Maybe he is mentally ill. I don’t know. But I do know that he is not a smart or intelligent person that we should be listening to in any capacity.
I’m pretty sure after his mother died, (of complications from a weight loss procedure he paid for), it broke him. He started abusing nitrous, Kim K tried to keep him compliant with doctors and meds, but eventually gave up to keep the kids safe.
I am convinced that he has always been neurodivergent - possibly autistic. He’s always had strange lyrics, but was a genius producer. He had his finger on the pulse for what kinds of sounds to bring out of SoundCloud and other spaces - you see in Yeezus that he’s kinda bringing the experiments of groups like CLPPNG and Death Grips to the mainstream.
He’s also going through some serious creative decline. Life of Pablo was strained. He’s resorting to shit like AI. That cannot feel good. He knows that something is wrong, but has to externalize it because of his “god” persona.
The comparison to someone in an asylum is apt. If he wasn’t rich, those song lyrics would have been written on a bathroom wall in feces.
He needs help, not a microphone.
He’s refused help at every turn. Not even his wife could get through to him. Not his friends, not his family, not his colleagues. None of them could convince him to stay on his meds and stay sane.
you see in Yeezus that he’s kinda bringing the experiments of groups like CLPPNG and Death Grips to the mainstream.
You mean this Yeezus merch?
This was the same timeframe.(Sorry, different concert. This was later.) He wanted people to buy this shit as a bundle with a concert ticket.Also, Death Grips was already mainstream. They didn’t need some insane motherfucker to sample their work to get popular.
Jesus is King is after Life of Pablo. Jesus is King is not good Kanye.
Yeezus didn’t sample Death Grips IIRC - it’s more a response to them. And saying that Death Grips was mainstream when Yeezus came out is horseshit - No Love Deep Web came out like a few months before.
The only thing I get from the experience is half an hour older.
That was a fire line, and I’m stealing it.
We’re God’s iPhone
- Ye
Only thing Kanye West needs help with at this point is shutting the fuck up.
Some rich asshole once said, “When you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.”
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Never do a Kardashian. Not once. Meth has better long term expectations than a man involved with a Kardashian.
There is direct correlation between right-wing ideology and brain damage
Nitrous addiction can cause brain damage too
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With all of the money and fame I still can’t get my kids back LMAO. Has he tried not being a NAZI, gay fish-loving cuck?
i kinda see his nazism as a metaphor now… he’s saying he’s treated like a nazi so might as well say he’s a nazi.
or, he’s so demonized then “fine, i’m a demon”.
my take on it is: shitty artist + mentally ill.also, interesting that he’s a cuck, and super worried about being called gay… (check out his reaction to the fish sticks south park).
you don’t have to be gay but, it definitely involves being sexually excited by other men…
i’m thinking, lying to himself level of closet gaysaying he’s treated like a nazi so might as well say he’s a nazi.
https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2018/8/8/1786532/-Cartoon-You-made-me-become-a-Nazi is kind of timeless
The fact that the tattoo artist is covered in dog whistle tattoos is actually kind of great. I hadn’t noticed until now, but it makes sense; Most tattoo artists will refuse to do Nazi tattoos, unless they’re also a Nazi.
I think it’s funny that the first thing written below the comic is “follow me on Twitter” with a link.
like i said, shitty artist
I have had a in-depth conversation with something who believed that Shrek was the incarnation of God
I would love to hear their reasoning. That is fascinating.
Some modern religious philosophies (most notably Chaos Magick) essentially believe that thoughts, symbols, ideas, and cultural concepts gain power through their spread and repetition. Within this framework, Shrek may as well be a god because he’s the center of a popular media franchise and the basis of many popular memes. By saying “Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life” it becomes real in a sense. That’s kind of where I think that would be coming from. I’ve seen people make similar arguments about batman and mickey mouse being their personal gods.
I’ve heard this philosophy before, yeah. And honestly, it’s why I legit think of Jedi and Dudeists as credible. If some of the wisest writers in our distant history were revealed to actually be a shared pen name for five or six guys, then why is it weird to say that Master Yoda and Uncle Iroh are my favorite philosophers?
Sooo, American Gods?
They also included flubber. Flubber represented the Trinity - because it is neither a solid nor a liquid. God is a translucent Shrek made out of flubber.
That was the gist of it, across thirty minutes. The friends next to us were having a conversation about how both of them were vampires and their dad had power over storms.
It was a college volunteer project where I was trying to come up with volunteer projects to connect folks to the community. Was fun - we crocheted granny squares for baby rhinos.
I worked in mental health for years. Some of my most interesting patients were also some of the kindest and most compassionate. One lady was convinced that a famous director was her husband, and had (legit, in her record) walked across five states to accept his psychic wedding proposal. When another patient was in crisis, she was the first one to find us and tell us, and if we weren’t there right away, she would sit with them and reassure them until we could make it.
And then there was the dude who had scammed nearly a thousand retirees because he could–and having psychotic delusions was just something on the side.
Being mentally ill is not a precursor for evil. However, Kanye seems to have made it his mission.
I so wanted this to read:
You crotched granny squares? For baby rhinos?
You sick pervert.
Damn, that’s just sad.
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I don’t believe this bullshit
which similarly glorifies Hitler, the architect of the Holocaust.
Oh, that Hitler…
Um, you have to be a special sort of moron to be Black and a fan of Hitler…sure, those Nazis might be your bud for a little while, and maybe use your money and fame to fund their cause. Right up until the Night of the Long Knives 2.0.
Whether he needs help or not I don’t know but what I do know is that we need to stop giving this man any attention.
It’s literally called “Heil Hitler”.
I think anyone who defends him needs to back up now.
Whoah, whoah, we don’t want to be jumping to conclusions about who may, or may not, be a Nazi. /s
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Lyrics from the song
This whole, “people don’t understand I have feelings so I decided to hate” thing incels and Nazis do is so fucking cringe
Oh, just because he said “Heil Hitler” that makes him a Nazi? https://youtu.be/zvgZtdmyKlI
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"Hey, now, maybe he was just trying to “put his heart out” to people. Also he’s autistic or something.
Him saying “I looooove Hitler” on Alex Jones was just him saying “I don’t love Hitler”, but in secret code."
- MAGA, probably
There’sa lot of hateful racism among many young hip hop fans
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So we’re doing nazi apologism now?
They’re really embracing the “let him cook” meme.
We’re throwing ourselves toward an authoritarian and dystopian future.
Precisely why we must not allow the glorification of nazism to perpetuate.
Be the change you desire
That’s illegal.
Dude. There’s a limit to that expression. There’s a reason why nobody likes Nazi’s and they deserve a punch in the face at minimum. Don’t be on the repeat side of history by performing some kind mental gymnastics to preserve freedom of expression and inadvertantly protect Nazism with that argument. That’s what apologists do now and did in the past.
Always remember this: if you have 10 people eating dinner at a table and 1 of them is a Nazi, how many nazi’s do you have? The answer is 10 Nazis.
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I’m failing to see the joke or the math here.
Sorry, I misread your comment.
You need to spend some time thinking on the (misnamed) “paradox of tolerance”. The idea you’re espousing is exactly the most critical, fundamental misunderstanding of tolerance as a moral value.
The “paradox of tolerance” is the idea that one must even tolerate the intolerant - it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.
But there is no paradox, never has been. Tolerance must never be given to the hatefully intolerant. Nazism can never be tolerated, it must be defeated as quickly as possible everywhere it sprouts up. And I do absolutely mean violently, I am not talking about just simple ostracism or censorship.
A society that tolerates the hatefully intolerant is fully doomed. Please, come to realize that you are not advocating for anything high-minded, you are advocating for the destruction of all things beautiful, art or otherwise.
it would be a paradox because this tolerance ultimately ensures the unbridled spread of intolerance. Folks weakly on the left have misunderstood this forever.
While I can’t read what you’re responding to, that doesn’t follow (it can be ignored or protested) & no, they haven’t.
The paradox of tolerance doesn’t lead to a unique conclusion. Philosophers drew all kinds of conclusions. I favor John Rawls’:
Either way, philosopher John Rawls concludes differently in his 1971 A Theory of Justice, stating that a just society must tolerate the intolerant, for otherwise, the society would then itself be intolerant, and thus unjust. However, Rawls qualifies this assertion, conceding that under extraordinary circumstances, if constitutional safeguards do not suffice to ensure the security of the tolerant and the institutions of liberty, a tolerant society has a reasonable right to self-preservation to act against intolerance if it would limit the liberty of others under a just constitution. Rawls emphasizes that the liberties of the intolerant should be constrained only insofar as they demonstrably affect the liberties of others: “While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger.”
Accordingly, constraining some liberties such as freedom of speech is unnecessary for self-preservation in extraordinary circumstances as speaking one’s mind is not an act that directly & demonstrably harms/threatens security or liberty. However, violence or violations of rights & regulations could justifiably be constrained.
A point of clarification: tolerance has a number of paradoxes identified in the SEP, and the paradox in discussion is more precisely called the paradox of drawing the limits.
Opposing basic civil liberties like freedom of expression is very authoritarian & small-minded. Basic rule on policymaking: don’t give yourself powers you wouldn’t want your opponents to have.
Quoting A Man of All Seasons
Yes, I’d give the Devil benefit of law for my own safety’s sake!
Sacrificing basic civil liberties when they don’t suit you is a threat to everyone. Their willingness to do that is why everyone hates authoritarians. It’s cutting off your nose to spite your face.
There are better ways to beat these shitheads, and it’s been done before. Contrary to what you wrote, defending civil liberties regardless of whose is high-minded & defends everyone.
That’s a lotta words to say we should tolerate things I say we shouldn’t. We can disagree, but I’m not all that interested in getting scholarly about it - the writing’s on the wall, we have real - not theoretical - fascism headed our way within this 4 year presidency and we’d better be ready to fight.
Enjoy your Stanford political philosophy. I’m gonna keep watching for further sieg heils on national stages, and I know what I’ll do if they become too widespread.
I wish you’d help, but above all, I wish you well.
We can disagree, but I’m not all that interested in getting scholarly about it - the writing’s on the wall, we have real - not theoretical - fascism headed our way within this 4 year presidency and we’d better be ready to fight.
- Scholarly: you brought scholarship into this by invoking paradox of tolerance. I had to point out that people whose vocation is to think harder & longer than you on this have drawn conclusions at odds with yours. Therefore, your reasoning is not on firm, settled ground.
- Realism: your conclusion is not only theoretically challenged. Cracking open a history book reveals it’s unnecessary & ill-advised in practice.
The civil rights movement overturned defacto ethno-fascism & advanced equality by using & promoting civil liberties, not opposing them. Freedom of expression & the free speech movement were instrumental.
Even when the threat is real, compromising civil rights to combat it spills beyond the threat & backfires. Read about the Red Scare & McCarthyism to see government restrict civil liberties in the name of security (the Soviets were spying in the Manhattan Project & Federal government), Congress seize the chance to wield a partisan weapon against anyone they flimsily accuse of “Un-American” activities, the lives ruined through rights abuses, the work it took to wind back those laws. Truman criticized those restrictions as a “mockery of the Bill of Rights” and a “long step toward totalitarianism”. For his reckless witch hunt against communists, Joseph McCarthy was criticized as “the greatest asset the Kremlin has”. Persecution ultimately harmed anti-communist efforts more than help them, and critics argued it distracted from the “real (but limited) extent of Soviet espionage in America”.
Read about how basic freedoms like speech & assembly were indispensable for disenfranchised activists to advance universal suffrage as they fought to lift restrictions due to property ownership, race, poll taxes, tests, sex, age.
Read about the considerable work those activists performed using their civil liberties to organize, picket, resist, & act in civil disobedience to gain the expanded freedoms you take for granted today. Look at their work & struggles from the abolitionist movement to black lives matter, and look at the work the activists of today are not doing. Notice how they didn’t organize to weaken basic protections whereas people who think like you argue we should.
Arguing to squander basic protections with some wishful thinking that elected authority will reliably fight your causes for you without as easily turning against you
- is a lazy failure to understand the limitations of authority & its risks for abuse when you tear down protections against it
- spits in the face of everything past generations of activists fought for.
Like you, I oppose fascists and (more generally) authoritarians, but I’m very clear about why. Authoritarians don’t respect limits to authority: they would tear down those pesky rights & liberties that protect free society & stand in their way, and they would readily crush people & everything we hold dear for their unworthy cause.
“Resisting” authoritarians chipping away at free society by chipping away even more is exactly what authoritarians would want. How thinkers like you don’t see that is beyond me.
Your prescription is wrong & serves authoritarians: I cannot abide it.
Your belief that I don’t understand these ideas or haven’t encountered them is incorrect. In fact I used to prioritize those ideas myself, and encouraged others to do the same.
I don’t even really disagree with most of that, I’m not talking (at all) about clamping down on free expression in a general sense. I’m saying that a free society must not equally allow every possible expression, and that anything invoking and glorifying Nazism in specific is beyond the pale and must be stopped, including violently when necessary. My point of view is not extreme, nor is it authoritarian (by my measure). There are thriving democratic nations who do exactly this right now, Germany being the example I have in mind (though I do acknowledge their special history with regard to that precise topic).
I’m also saying you seem far more interested in splitting hairs and discussing theory than solving problems. And that works fantastically for the right-wing folks who only care about winning. They don’t argue ideology in good faith, they instead exploit the willingness of others to do so (like you’re insisting on here) because it drags them into unproductive conversations and creates feuds (like we’re doing here).
I’m not advocating for anything I’d call authoritarian, but that word means something different to everyone. I am saying tolerance must have its limits, or the spread of intolerance over time is guaranteed. I’m really uninterested in going further with you. You are not bringing me anything new or that I find valuable. You are bringing me points I have considered, largely accepted, and in narrow cases, have chosen to reject. I didn’t say I’ve never gone into a scholarly direction on this stuff. I said I am uninterested in doing so here. My original comment about paradox of intolerance is something that person needed to hear. I never had any intention to be rigorous with my telling, and I stand by everything I said regardless.
I can tell that you feel really strongly about this stuff and I think we’re on the same side. I think I probably agree with you more than you realize. I want to say one more time - I’m not interested in discussing these details. It isn’t that I don’t find them valuable, can’t understand them, or never have learned about them. There are other valid reasons for not wanting to, and I’d appreciate a little intellectual charity from you. But that’s yours to give, not mine to demand. I do wish you well.
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Either way, philosopher John Rawls concludes differently in his 1971 A Theory of Justice, stating that a just society must tolerate the intolerant, for otherwise, the society would then itself be intolerant, and thus unjust. However, Rawls qualifies this assertion, conceding that under extraordinary circumstances, if constitutional safeguards do not suffice to ensure the security of the tolerant and the institutions of liberty, a tolerant society has a reasonable right to self-preservation to act against intolerance if it would limit the liberty of others under a just constitution. Rawls emphasizes that the liberties of the intolerant should be constrained only insofar as they demonstrably affect the liberties of others: “While an intolerant sect does not itself have title to complain of intolerance, its freedom should be restricted only when the tolerant sincerely and with reason believe that their own security and that of the institutions of liberty are in danger.”
That’s a whole lot of words to communicate what could be easily described by reframing the concept of tolerance as a social contract rather than a moral precept.
The government isn’t silencing him. Private entities are deciding not to support it. Forcing them to would be against free speech.
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Over here it’s the government cracking down on music, and that’s the lens I have
Private entities should be free to delist content (or not) of their own choice
I don’t know why this has to keep being repeated. It’s not hard.
Free speech does not mean you are entitled to have a private entity like a website host your content or speech.
He is welcome to sing this on the streets. He is welcome to publish this himself, be it hosted by a website he creates or in a physical medium.
He is not entitled to it being placed on retail shelves. He is not entitled to have it hosted on YouTube or Spotify.
This isn’t hard. The government of the United States has made absolutely no moves to silence this song. He can sing it and personally distribute it as much as he wants. But no one can be forced to distribute it for him
But why educate others wrong? You may not sing heil Hitler on the streets. It is a hate crime
That depends on your country. In Germany singing this song on the street would be illegal.
In the USA where Kanye lives and produced this song it is perfectly legal to sing in the streets.
Yes because it is a nazi state. There is no confusion here
This would have been legal forever, kind of a stretch to say it was a Nazi state while defeating the Nazis.
Now I won’t disagreee with you, but they’re irrelevant to the free speech stuff
No one is claiming private entities have to host it lol, did you even read my entire comment? I literally wrote private companies can delist what they want
So you’re ranting about what exactly? Kanye has faced no repercussions from the government. The only thing that’s happened was backlash from fans and private entities not hosting his songs.
Still trying to find the “attack on free speech” you ranted about
Not “ranting” about anything. In Australia the government cracks down on music. Don’t be like us.
Dude, this song is practically an ode to the current US government. He’ll probably play the orange turd’s birthday parade. This isn’t a warning that’s necessary here.
Is it still music and art that should be platformed when it calls for genocide?
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The sun beams down on a brand new day
No more welfare tax to pay
Unsightly slums gone up in flashing light
Jobless millions whisked away
At last we have more room to play
All systems go to kill the poor tonightGonna kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor
Kill, kill, kill, kill, kill the poor tonightShould the song I quoted be banned? If not, where exactly do you draw the line?
Is that ChatGPT?
No, it’s Dead Kennedys. It’s written by gigantic leftist Jello Biafra and intended as satire.
I don’t think Kanye’s song is satire. I think he’s mentally ill and meant every word to be taken literally. But I look at songs like Kill the Poor or California Uber Alles, and I start to doubt whether some stuffy old politician would be able to tell the difference in intent between those and Kanye’s song. I don’t think that old politician should be given the power to ban any of them.
Anyone who listened to California Über Alles and thought it was a pro fascist song would be absolutely brain dead.
I could definitely see an elderly southern senator believing that, or claiming to believe that simply because he doesn’t like punk music. You’re aware of all the congresspeople claiming that Palestinian genocide protesters are antisemetic, right?
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The song is literally called Heil Hitler…
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Who gets to decide what art is objectionable and have it censored?
Me
And none of those platforms have to host the material. I don’t know what drill rap is.
Who gets to decide? The gallery, the sculpture garden, and YouTube.
I agree with you, BTW. However, I haven’t seen any government attempt to censor this song yet. Song sucks though, and I’m a fan of early Kanye.
Private entities should be free to delist whatever they choose
In Australia the government is banning music/artists
Show us where the government in Australia has banned music / artists? I cant find anything about this.
https://themusicnetwork.com/nsw-police-onefour-anti-outlaw-tactics/
NSW Police admitted it forced the hand of venues around the country. “We are shutting down their concerts"
Just use your guns to protect your other freedoms?
Totally wrong on this one. Your rights end where others begin. Is it OK if a guy writes a song about torturing and killing you. You specifically. No? What about 3 songs? 10 songs?
There’s a very clear line in free speech. You are free to say what you wish WITH IN NORMAL PARAMETERS! Does this protect some hate speech, or what a targeted group might see as hate speech? A bit. But not the brazen stuff. You want to stand on a corner and talk about how the pope controls the weather? OK. You want to stand on a street corner and clearly call people to violence to harm Catholics and their property? No. That’s not free speech. You aren’t allowed to call people to violence.
Is praising Hitler, and other neo nazi garbage hate speech? Yes. It’s hate speech. There’s no Hitler that didn’t kill millions of people. There’s no nazi party that didn’t call people to action and violence. You don’t have the freedom to stand on a street corner and clearly make appeals to specific violence. That’s never been allowed.
Nah this is fucked, stop trying to be whatever this is.
You may want to consider the tolerance of intolerance here champ
You are disgusting. Your argument is wack and holds no water. Social media has no obligation to host hate speech. Fuck you for being a bottom dwelling Nazi apologist.
Not defending the OP but his argument is that here in Australia the government is doing the censoring, he’s all for platforms delisting it if they wish. As an aside, that’s effectively the same thing (as argued by people like Philip Adams here in Australia)
As an Australian, I find government censorship of the arts problematic, this case is glaringly easy to agree with but there are a plethora of edge case issues that leave me feeling uneasy and I’m squarely on the side of Karl Popper with this.
As to everyone “disliking nazis”, thats not true. Russia is led by one, as is the US and India, the current Austrian Government is led by a a political party set up by literal Nazis, across the border the AfD is praised by the US.
Look at Hannah Ardent and Albert Einstein’s letter to the newspapers about the horror of Israel. So I’d suggest there is broad support for nazis, unless u mean literal nazis from Germany circa WW2, of which there aren’t many left but we had one in charge of NATO, another designing rockets for Nasa and on and on, so there is that.
Among the most disturbing political phenomena of our times is the emergence in the newly created state of Israel of the “Freedom Party” (Tnuat Haherut), a political party closely akin in its organization, methods, political philosophy and social appeal to the Nazi and Fascist parties. It was formed out of the membership and following of the former Irgun Zvai Leumi, a terrorist, right-wing, chauvinist organization in Palestine.
This seems like it was written by AI as it addresses practically nothing written here but goes off on tangents. The couple pieces that were relevant are wrong. There is nothing here to suggest that government censorship has fuck all to do with Kanye’s “art” and also OP said jack fucking shit to indicate they’re ok with social media taking it down. They seem very opposed to it actually. Which is why everyone hates them.
Yep, so in Australia NSW police have been contacting Spotify/YouTube/etc with requests to delist certain songs from Sydney drill rap bands that glorify and promote gang violence against Spotify’s/Youtube’s/etcs policies, the streamers have in some cases agreed and delisted the music, in other cases they have not and the music remains. This is after the groups theyve had issues with (eg One-Four) have caused multiple riots and had several charges and convictions, so it’s arisen from a desire to serve public good. Only certain tracks have been targeted from what I can see, not whole albums or artist catalogs.
That’s a far cry from the government deciding what art people can or cannot listen to in my opinion. They have only asked some streaming platforms to adhere to their own policies, and then tbe platforms have made their own decisions on case by case basis.
Is there other actions I’m not aware of? The govt hasn’t passed any laws to block the sale of drill rap nor banned its play on radio etc?
With the art excuse we are at the point that saying “heil Hitler” is not okay but singing it is okay.
The guy is once again professing his love for Hitler. This song is normalizing the Usage of Heil Hitler. How the fuck do you not see that?
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never meet this Hitler guy, idk he might be ok, can’t judge a book by its cover
Yeah, if he’s singing about how we should all gas the Jews, or kill all the Palestinians, or mass murder all Ukrainians, it’s all fine, it’s just art, you see?
I’m glad I don’t have your big smooth brain
First of all, these are private companies, not governments. They can technically do whatever TF they want, and we probably shouldn’t have ceded so much power to them.
…Anyway, I think you have a point. Or at least part of one.
It’s reasonable to draw red lines like “no nazism on our platform.” But at the end of the day Spotify and such can ban whatever they want, with no repercussions since it’s basically a network of defacto, legally shielded monopolies.
So how would we feel if, say, they started banning podcasts a little too popular and too critical of the president?
In other words, banning nazism as a policy is fine, but arbitrarily banning what looks bad to them is indeed going to be a problem.
He’s a Nazi and he should be fucking shot.
Bad take on Ye’s Hitler music
Are you saying you think it’s ok to give a platform to content explicitly promoting genocide and Nazism so long as it has a beat?
No.
Also: Defensive Democracy
Are you saying that Germany should never have banned NSDAP?
“If you don’t like the party, just don’t join it” is what you’re saying?
🤔
That’s not really at issue here.
This isn’t the government deciding what art is objectionable, and arresting those who play music they don’t like. This is a private company deciding what it wants to host in it’s library, that it curates, it pays license fees for, and sells subscriptions too. Ye or any Nazi absolutely has the right to make and sell any music they want. They however don’t have the right to force another company to sell their music for them.So if there is a new song that lists all of the high up government official’s addresses and tells everyone to kill them and a billionaire will give them a million dollars to do it, that would be cool? You think that would be art? Nah dude, those song people would get a knock on their door before the song plays though 10 times.
While this can certainly be interpreted as defending awful people (which I’m sure someone will, prepare for downvotes because many only read the first paragraph and do not understand nuance) with an awful message, I tend to agree with you.
Music is art, and like any artwork its quality does not depend on its message. I have to admit that the gay fish was never the kind of artist I enjoyed simply because the rap tracks I like are few and far between. (Wtf is drill rap?)
But to use a different angle: I’ve always been a metal head, and there’s quite a lot of black metal that I enjoy. And as most sensible people understand, that doesn’t make me a satanist, nor do I endorse burning of churches.
So the obvious question is then: Is Ye’s newer stuff any good? Well, fuck if I know. I cannot name a single song Ye made. But he’s not exactly making it more tempting to try and like his stuff. Anyway, fuck him and fuck the horse he rode in on.
EDIT: I did some research. I remember Golddigger. That’s all.
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Unsurprisingly, it’s not my cup of tea. And I don’t even drink tea.
Why are they censoring that, though? I didn’t notice any lyrics more controversial than what you’d hear elsewhere.
They have a documentary if you are interested https://www.netflix.com/au/title/81485425
why do y’all give him so much attention?? Tf ignore him the fame already got to his head…
It’s not even a good song.
80% of it is him and a crowd of black guys (who may or may not have been AI generated or paid a tonne to get in on the white supremacist grift) chanting “N***a heil Hitler!” The other 20% comes across as some kind of incel or MRA manifesto, where he’s whinging about being cancelled and denied access to his kids.
Kanye has well and truly lost the plot. He needs to be detained in a psych ward…
I’m curious how can this guy release a song titled “heil hitler” and still in the news?
Just in case people actually believed Elon’s whining that he’s total not a Nazi you guys, cut it out wah.
